bill clinton turned on a dime. we didn't believe in 1994 -- >> i think it was six months of turning. >> yeah. >> but clinton had a huge advantage over obama. clinton had lost the governorship after being the youngest governor in the country. >> he governed in arkansas for ten years. dealt with conservative democrats and a very small republican party. >> the decision to turn came from when he lost in '80 and it was clear to both bill and hillary if they stayed on the hard left they'd be a one-term president as carter had been. the ability to turn goes back to what dee dee just said. being a governor, he and i always could communicate. we had some very tough, brutal fights. but there was some, we both had this compartmentalization that allows us to say okay. that was a really tough press conference. now how do we work this out? >> right. i sense real negotiations require you to listen carefully to the other person. not agree with him but listen carefully. try to figure out is there something we can start building to